Whitcomb & Shaftesbury Bespoke 2 Button Sport Coat 48 S. Fabric is soft with a fur appearance. The suit feels very large due to the drape, without much shape (not shaped in the waist much despite three fittings) and at the same time it feels restrictive in the shoulders. The word yachting as well as the concept itself came into our vocabulary quite recently. I question, upon reflection, if you can go to Spain and Italy (and India via W & S) might we see a time when you take into consideration the many fine UK tailors at points outside of London. Im glad to say that this promise is fulfilled. Simon's books and product collaborations are available to buy through the Permanent Style shop. Would W&S be a good option. Insisting on something still identifiable as W & S, bearing Bob and Johns beautiful fingerprints but of much softer construction, I was reassured with confidence by Suresh. Not for anything approaching a Neapolitan cut Stuart, no. Coming up on the PS Shop this Autumn/Winter, Tailoring for travelling: tough, comfortable, plain, my post on the bespoke service at Whitcomb & Shaftesbury, Simonnot-Godard via Mes Chaussettes Rouges, Whitcomb & Shaftesbury RAF-blue suit: Style Breakdown, Artisan of the Year 2021: Whitcomb & Shaftesbury, Edward Sexton offshore bespoke tailoring. I like the lap seem as an added detail to subtly highlight the craftsmanship and wonder whether this would be acceptable on a double breasted suit? Im soon travelling to London, and am interested in a soft shouldered jacket or two. Hi Simon. Also, is their normally a third fitting?. Wearing something expressly created for ones body and mind is an intoxicating luxury. Thanks! If to compare, which make is most value for money? The pleat on the trouser is quite shallow which makes it not functional. How are the characters hobbies evidence of their social class. No it would look good without a tie. Thanks simon. Im looking forward to stopping by! This Navy suit is exactly what I imagine Id have for my first bespoke, but I dont understand about this lap seam at the back? Among many others, it is known for the large number of ateliers located on it, Read More. Also , Its great that you still bring your expertise to clothes within a lower price bracket .sometimes I think were losing you to the luxury market a little too much . Do you know anything about her? Edge tapes, hems and linings are completely felled by hand. Thanks! I have received and worn the suit, and can highly recommend it. Ask them and theyll show you the various options. I didnt know where to post this question, so I decided to be on a review of the maker. Also, is it usually preferable to have the person you first meet about a garment also do the pattern and fitting? Thank you for your help and the great website. Id always recommend that you stick to a tailors house style as much as possible. I understand this instinct, but it really depends on the house itself and how it works. Located in the heart of London's Mayfair district, Savile Row is home to some of the world's most prestigious men's fashion designers and tailors. Youll have to contact them. Have a look at our Suit style series for other advice too, Sorry if im asking something youve already been asked, but are there any other comparable offerings in this price range/overseas production for a first foray in to bespoke, or are W&S out there on their own in this regard. How would you compare the style and quality of a W&S suit to either A&S or Steven Hitchcock? Thanks In addition, the fitting of the trousers was really quite poor, yet the stand-in fitter (John was away) pushed me hard that they were fine. I have 2 W+S suits now and have been happy with both (both business suits). Just 30 Read More, Savile Row Savile Row is a street located in the center of London, United Kingdom. The twist of thread is 40 - that is for mass-market shirts; the fabric with a double twist (two ply) from 80 to 160, is used for high-quality high-quality shirts. What are your thoughts on Huntsman 100 (I think thats what its called right) anyway? From the sounds of it you were quite impressed with the offshore made suit. I dont know how those prices have changed, no sorry. I have large shoulders, am tall and have a relatively slim waist, but dont feel comfortable looking bigger. Whitcomb also recruited a third, younger cutter, Sian Walton, formerly of Thom Sweeney, Alexander McQueen and Kilgour. From what Ive seen of the Huntsman service its good, but it is expensive for what it is. Richard. Worth stating again perhaps that no judgments on fit should be made from photos. Do listen to the tailor when you talk about it as well. I dont think W&S has any different margins to other bespoke tailors. Sartoria Dalcuore and W & S; both very interesting articles. The same business model doesnt quite exist, no. There are a few things you can look for to tell if a suit is bespoke:Firstly, bespoke suits will always be made from premium materials. Brilliant. Looking forward to know your thoughts. possibly a slightly unusual choice Id like you to ask about, purely subjective of course: for a first bespoke commission, if your budget was a tad higher then W&S classic say 2000-3000 would you still choose them (and add an extra trouser to get to 2k+) or go with one of the cheaper Italian tailors, say Vergallo or Solito, (at around 2200 2500) or give a young / next generation Saville Row cutter a chance (e.g. Free shipping for many products! I note your enthusiasm for W&S. My experience not so good. Permanent Style - Artisan of the Year 2021 New York 21-24 February 2023 Since you praise John McCabe for his cutting, I was wondering whether needs to be involved in the measurement process and therefore needs to be present during the first appointment? We specialise in handcrafted bespoke suits that are constructed from the finest natural materials and express a timeless elegance. Do you think W&S is better value, better workmanship than Alexandra Wood ( do you know whether AW is bespoke proper, fully canvassed, basted etc ) ? When writing about the second suit might you include some further detail about the Cutter/Coatmaker and their views on what makes a good silhouette? Outstanding blog, Simon. thanks! And in your opinion would a soft jacket from W&S be suitable to wear with relaxed chinos and jeans? Before you raise an eyebrow, keep in mind that some of the best bespoke garments in the world come out of India, and having ordered a Classic Bespoke overcoat, suit and smoking jacket myself, Im very happy to vouch for its impressive quality. I assume she was one of the people that fitted you? Subscribe now and save. In other words, when you order a bespoke suit, youre effectively speaking for that piece of clothing telling the tailor exactly what you want it to look like and how you want it to fit.Bespoke suits are usually made from higher-quality materials than ready-to-wear or off-the rack suits, and theyre designed to last longer. ), Simon if you have any influence on this company (and I suppose you do in a way because clearly they wanted you see their quality and write something about it) for the love of God make them hire somebody who redoes their website. A) Its hard, and I think people do and should rely on reviews more for that reason. By the way, Sian is the other cutter at Whitcomb now, and is very good in my experience. Thank you, As a general rule Id want to see the cutter, but in this case Id make an exception, given Bob and everyone else have worked so closely together for a long time. Theyre reasonably flexible, but I wouldnt ask them to do Neapolitan. Ah, no that was navy trousers, serge. Wondered if you had any thoughts ? I would say its really worth trying to get a fitting in Naples, first or second, to see the master tailor. And it would look a touch more formal than a Neapolitan, but as long as youre happy with that (and my Gieves is similar in cut) then that would work fine. Simon are you familiar with Redmayne 1860s MTM service and, if so, between Redmaynes 1860 Acclaim MTM and W&S classic bespoke, which would be better quality? A similar question. Even though W&S is affordable compared to Savile Row, I would prefer neapolitans which are comparable in price to W&S but in my experience produced a much nicer fitting and much more comfortable jacket than W&S. I commissioned a suit from W&S and Siam was the cutter. Its not the end of the world, but it certainly bugs me to face an issue which I did not face with RTW- a collar gap. As ever a brief article on this subject would be highly appreciated! Alex N. OK, good Alex. So basically I will be sad 4 days a week for a while! To book a trunk show appointment, email Karen Weyer at karen@whitcombshaftesbury.com. I initially thought I would go for A&S as I love the style and think they would guide me through the process extremely well. Such are the hassles of bespoke tailoring. The term bespoke comes from the verb bespeak, which means to speak for something. Thanks for this Simon. A.) 4,523 Followers, 192 Following, 829 Posts - See Instagram photos and videos from Whitcomb Shaftesbury -Bespoke (@whitcombshaftesbury) whitcombshaftesbury. And a pair of flannel trousers? I can understand why some people dont want a suit where any of it is made abroad. Although I agree, Simon, about expecting no artists or artisans, tailors or otherwise, to takes bribes that stretch their natural styles beyond zones of comfort/ experience but with W & S I clearly wasnt asking too much. Apologies if these are ignorant questions, but this will be my first foray into bespoke (thanks to the amazing information youve provided on this website)! Whilst acknowledging that the intent of any bespoke tailoring is to enhance and flatter the wearer, I would be interested to read more about the tricks of the trade used to mitigate different physical challenges. I had a second basted fitting, in which some of the issues were accounted for. They certainly could, and Id say you should expect at least two fittings ideally three (with the last one being with a finished suit, but something small needs to be tweaked always a good idea to get that tweak, painful as it may be! We also get your email address to automatically create an account for you in our website. Every artist has their Read More, What is yachting. After reading your reviews, I am definitely considering the W&S Classic Bespoke offering. They look very good and suit your face and style, Francois Pinton, though I wouldnt necessarily recommend them based in make. In terms of an every day style for work, would you so this would be more suitable than Edward Sexton? I am considering the Classic Bespoke option for my first bespoke commission. Normally I would have ordered the suit at the weight I normally am, not the higher weight. As has been mentioned, your tie is stunning, but sadly it doesnt feature in Drakes current line up. Can anything be done to rectify the situation. How are the characters hobbies evidence of their social class. Interesting article. Desperate to find an occasion to wear it again! Today I met with Tim Everest, W&S, C&D, and Gieves & Hawkes. Its unlikely your right armhole doesnt have to be lower, unless that right shoulder is significantly smaller. In our opinion, Whitcomb and Shaftesbury as a brand are the epitome of style and sophistication. Alex N. Even in fittings when there are no buttons and buttonholes, there will be rows of stitching or chalk marks where the buttons are planned to go, and these will line up. new to bespoke), but i would certainly be interested to know more about 1) what to realistically expect from bespoke, and 2) how to get the most from the process. I can see a grey being useful, but that's about all probably. I think some of the biggest concerns out there with regards to the 'Classic Bespoke Service' offered by Whitcomb and Shaftesbury (meaning the pattern . Ill post pictures of the second one later, but there are so few differences that its barely worth pointing them out. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA Enterprise and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply. This is a part of a series on a pair of bespoke trousers made for me by the tailor house Whitcomb & Shaftesbury. McCabe and Bigg are masters of old English styling, whereas Walton cuts a comfortable, contemporary jacket with drape with shape, loosely inspired by her training (under McCabe) at Kilgour. Is that a consequence of your intentions or is it more John McCabes style of cutting? When buttoning I believe this creates a line along the right side of the jacket and most importantly pushes the collar up and it doesnt stay flush to my neck. How would you compare W&S to Steven Hitchcock based on style and quality? Am I safe to give them full and total control and have the suit made in their house style, or will I end up regretting it? I always try and relax and dont rush my fittings. But when in 1760 Read More. It looks great. This is something most tailors dont do, but you do occasionally see it used on particularly soft or lightweight cloths. Edge tapes, hems and linings are completely felled by hand. That was more specific to Rubinacci. 1 talking about this. Some of us surely do not desire to try out lots of tailors but love and romantically hatch the idea of naturally having your tailor where you get many different things from over the years and build a trusting relationship. To commission a bespoke suit is the epitome of sartorial luxury. I am a long time reader of your blog, and I am delighted to say that I am going to be getting my first bespoke suit this fall from W&S based on your review. Predominantly a Savile Row style or do they stray into Neapolitan construction as well? I think youll be absolutely fine if thats what you want. I have to say at the first fitting was impressed at the quality / value. The brand is the brainchild of two brothers, Suresh and Mahesh Ramakrishnan, who both enjoyed long and successful corporate careers in New York City before they decided to open a tailor shop. I am debating a single or double breasted suit in dark navy for my wedding. Vergallo doesnt get enough attention they remain excellent value. With over 400 years of accumulated experience on Savile Row, our master cutters and tailors take care of ensuring a perfect fit, creating the ultimate collaboration of design and craftsmanship. If youve seen an example you like from either, however, then go for it. After giving myself a headache of what tailor to try next after a poor experience from a new(ish) city tailoring firm (that shall remain nameless), I commissioned a new suit from GB in Dec. Equally, as Im probably going to take the leap, if youd like any feedback from me on it, Id be more than happy to share. And no, it wouldnt be vastly different from KH&L, More importantly, for that price range this is certainly the best value suit out there, and it sounds like one that would suit your style as well. I ask because our access to Neapolitan tailors in Los Angeles is limited but I wanted something I could wear in summer similar to the way youve been wearing your charcoal G+H linen suit. Their 'classic bespoke' service, which involves cutting the suit in London (by a very experienced Row cutter), and then having it largely made in India (in a workshop run by a Row tailor) promised fantastic value at 1350 + VAT for a suit. Are there any other tailors in the Milan/Northern Italy area that I should consider as well, that would be great starting points to the high-end bespoke world? I am unsatisfied considering GB is 850 but their forte is not in this style of tailoring. Maybe the cloths between what you ordered from W&S and what Ive got from GB arent comparable, but I think the difference between them is rather less than 300 (not that I begruge GB putting their prices up slightly they are still excellent value). I dont have the cloth number, but I can get it. I dont know her which says something. Let me know if that doesnt answer your question Whitcomb & Shaftesbury makes hand made bespoke suits and shirts using traditional tailoring techniques Whitcomb & Shaftesbury Next Magento currency ins not converting and in all websites still the same Although given how many issues tailors have had over the past 30 years (particularly changing business models or cutters so youre relationship goes out the window) I think theyve got as much chance of staying around as anyone. This one, or good value english tailors (for example grahame browne)? Also, in terms of Whitcombs house styleI prefer a more classical style although my technical knowledge of suiting is lacking. (And which?). Simon I live in Geneva but get over to London at least once a year sometimes up to 3 times a year although never with any great predictability. One of the reasons rate Whitcomb is the presence of cutter John McCabe. Yes I think so, it has a great feeling to it. (Living in Paris and only going from time to time to London, difficult to sync with the neapolitan tailors). hi Simon, very interesting article. Just focusing on the big-name tailors and dominant styles to start with. Thanks Simon. Gone for a nice navy classic worsted. I also havent asked about those kind of changes, so Im not sure. Touch device users can explore by touch or with swipe gestures. Do you see this as suitable for business, or not so much? These Tailors Are Doing It Anyway. I specifically dont want to blame either as certainly most clients are quite satisfied. As a more extreme example how does it compare to your C&M and Cifonelli suits: if you say its nearly as good that may change everything!! I am fine with the amount of chest drape in their house style but would like to see slightly stronger shoulders and a bit more roping. Bespoke suits are thus more expensive and take longer to produce, but they will provide you with a better fit than a custom suit ever could. If those people want that product, they now know exactly what they need to pay for it 3,050 (the price of the Savile Row Bespoke product) rather than 1,350 (the Classic Bespoke). Wempe Teamed Up With Boatbuilder Tim Heywood to Make Two Limited-Edition Marine Chronometers, Rimowa Unveils a New, More Organized Pilot Case for Your Next Short-Haul Trip, The Best-Dressed Men of the SAG Awards, From Eddie Redmayne to Austin Butler. knowing that W&S now have two cutters would it be wrong to ask for sian walton to cut more in the Thom Sweeney style ? Just an idea. I wouldnt worry as regards experience John and Bob (coatmaker) have plenty of experience there. Let me know what you think of these points, and whether this might be worth a full post at some point too. I noticed that the Saman Emel jacket (22 January 2018) gives more prominence to your shoulders and to my eyes, a more balanced presentation. Yes I would. Pinterest. I also appreciate your point about opening up the possibilities, rather than providing something concrete and narrow, which is not something i had considered, but fully makes sense. Solito, Dalcuore, Caliendo and Rubinacci (in ascending order of price! According to their website the price GBP 1360 is without VAT. Will introduce myself soon when I see you around. Id say they are both very good. Hi Simon, around 3000 but entirely made by them)? Not necessarily more structured, but cleaner in the chest and different in other style aspects. sorry if its a silly question. Hi Ethan, Have been considering a Drakes MTM recently Simon, as a soft option. Thank you. Get the Robb Report newsletter for similar stories delivered straight to your inbox. It sounds like it might also be due to the fact that this was your first experience. Not necessarily if youll use it a lot it could be lovely. People even complain when they find out some of the work is being done just off Carnaby Street, rather than in a basement off Savile Row. Our coats are fully handmade with floating canvases. The results are great and I would very much enjoy hearing how your experience is. But different to an A&S drape cut, and very different to anything French or Italian. Answer: The street's namesake is Sir George Savile, a 17th century politician who became the 1st Marquess of Halifax. Dear Simon, Impressive finish, congratulations! Not a toile. That pocket square fold is on point. This shouldnt really be surprising. I remember you recommending MTM for those building a trouser wardrobe, but im not sure if this company would follows ideal fit, considering they outsource their labor and the cutter is not in consultation with you. Programs were set up in a number of different vocations, from metalwork to embroidery. If you are having custom-made clothes made for you, then they are bespoke. Many have looked at his handwork and been amazed, more so when they hear about his prices. There is a lot of confusion about the difference between tailored and bespoke. Simon. The fact this has happened with two tailors is odd, and the only thing I can think of is that maybe you stand rather unnaturally during fittings, eg very erect? The shoulders are quite soft and natural, although the team can certainly do more roping if requested. Youre really in the market for made to measure, not bespoke. Watch. Therefore, I will not be going back as I see it as a bit of a risk. Or take in some pictures of styles you like. Are there any similar services like the Huntsman 100 from other savile row tailors you would recommend? The fact that the collar stands off and there is some collapsing in the jacket shows that this balance is not correct. And although some of these details werent perfect on the examples I saw in the Whitcomb & Shaftesbury workrooms, this lap seam was very nicely done. Another is they come and go so a review is only useful for so long. Coat Details Fabric Pattern: Solid. If you want to be safe, try on something they already have and give your opinion on it. The result may be due to specifics in my case. My first British bespoke suit was last year, and if I had known about them I might well have talked to W&S. The reality seems to be that you must thoroughly educate yourself regarding manufacture and design points, and have a clear sense for what you want, in order to get the most out of the process. I chose the Holland and Sherry 892004 slate blue Harris tweed and plunged in. I will do something longer on his system though, so I can give as many details as possible. Should the button and buttonhole align when the jacket is unbuttoned? Just what Im looking for. There is a difference between a custom suit and a bespoke suit, though the two terms are often used interchangeably. Being at ease doing this is why people talk a lot about the importance of relationship in bespoke too. Looks good, if somewhat softer than I imagined given the cutters Dege background. PREVIOUS NEXT Related Post Not many houses still offer a sponge and press without charge, but Im not sure whether Whitcomb does actually. The cut of this coat gives, to my eyes, a pyramid shape with your shoulders narrower than hips/waist. Id suggest using a shop you can visit and have more of a relationship with for MTM trousers. Id pick between the two on style more than anything else. I want to have a morning suit made. Hi Simon I had a strict deadline though. 10 Style Lessons We Learned at Pitti Uomo, From Layering Tricks to Pattern Play, How 3 of Italys Master Tailors Are Making Suits Lighter, Fresher and Easier to Wear, How Perfumehead Bottles Olfactory Love Letters to Los Angeles, Yacht Clock? Do you mind me asking what make your glasses are? Also, the drape cut I realised is not much to my liking as I feel it makes me very big. On first sight it looks horrendous: Tacky, cheap and overall so incredibly bad it almost feels like a parody or scam. Have a good weekend. I understand there a differences in style obviously. 2. One of your best suits in my opinion! I understand none of the cutters will come on this trip but Bob will be present for the initial consultation and measurement. Following on from my previous questions, I would just like to say that I commissioned a Classic Bespoke Suit from W&S for my wedding day, cut by Sian in a dark navy Holland and Sherry 9 1/2oz Mohair. I tried them at home but was not convinced, so i went back in and saw a third fitter (not sure where they get people from when John is not available) who agreed they were too baggy, and alterations were appropriately made. John doesnt go on all the trips, but I wouldnt worry too much about that as long as hes there for one or two of the fittings. Wonderful. Thanks for this. This is the process by which my suit was also made. Hi Simon Back in October there was a lot of interest around my post on the bespoke service at Whitcomb & Shaftesbury. I have checked them out however note that: Though no, its a noticeable but not huge difference to go for 11oz rather than 13oz, I have suits in both. Thanks very much. Or perhaps heard anything about his work? However, am i expecting too much? Subscribe now and get up to 61% off the cover price. Have a look at my posts in the past on Rubinacci bespoke. Good suits can look terrible; bad ones good. which is better in your opinion? ), That means 3-4 visits for the first suit. Hi Simon. Thanks for all the informative articles. I was hoping that you might be able to recommend a particular type of fabric. This article maybe one of the most significant you have written in terms of opening up bespoke suiting to a market that couldnt justify the 3k plus cost of a row suit, irrespective of relative value. A Graham Browne suit and a Huntsman suit are traditional, structured English suits. The prices are comparable. Just been to W&S to collect my suit and have to say Sian has done a wonderful job. Richard, Hi Simon An appealing option cost wise compared to what some charge for RTW, and safe in the knowledge that the factory workers have been paid a fair wage. Ill reflect more on the overall style of Whitcomb & Shaftesbury, and where it sits relative to other tailors I have tried, when I publish the pictures of the Savile Row Bespoke suit. When he died, his son, also named George, inherited the property and began to lease out parcels of land to tailors. Very good sales and marketing. Londons Best New Tailors Arent on Savile Row. And quality is quality, no matter where its sourced. P.S. Is it sailing, sailing, or the way to new horizons? For years, we had our suits made, explains Suresh, and we both felt that you could find good product, but it was a struggle to find good advice. It can be good advice to try and see the cutter at some stage rather than just a salesman, but even that varies widely depending on the salesman some of them are just as good. No, the style is different in other ways too. What i wanted was them to guide on what would look best based on their (extensive) experience, which they never really gave. We decided to offer a hand-tailoring scheme, so John [McCabe] flew out to India and began to train local craftspeople to a Savile Row standard., The author in his corduroy suit and Donegal overcoat commissioned from Whitcomb & Shaftesbury. If youre into your clothes, you might well know the name Whitcomb & Shaftesbury. Im going to order my first bespoke suit and I know your not supposed to wear it two days in a row and ideally once a week But then what do you wear for the rest of the week whilst your building your bespoke suit collection to the point you have 5 bespoke suits in rotation? Graham Browne is GBP 1050 INCLUDING VAT, ie the difference in price is GBP 500, not 300 as stated in the comments. Hi Calvin, Thats largely due to length of the jacket, and a slightly fuller skirt. Every hem and lining felled by hand, buttonhole sewn with silk and trouser hand-sewn with curtained waistbands. Following your review of W&S I have scheduled an appointment for their upcoming visit to NY. Kind Regards Black mens jeans: how to choose and with what to wear? Apparel & clothing. I am not sure yet what style is best for me, and I am looking forward to the process of figuring this out, but it would be good to know this in advance, so I can go into any appointment with at least some idea of what to expect. This will offer better value than any MTM service, by some margin. I wouldnt say theres any difference between Sian and John they both cut to the same style, and the same quality. I think theyd certainly do a very good job. It also depends how close the styles are. On the style questions, eg pockets, have you looked through the Suit Style series of posts? Hi Simon, quick follow up on the cloth and finding the right shade of navy for business. I had suits made in both, in order to compare them. To be honest I am leaning more towards WS now but cannot make up my mind! Is it possible to request a little bit less drape from W&S? I have however been following this W&S post with interest as I use to use Kilgours semi bespoke service 10+ years ago. And you cant miss it in that bunch, It is superior to Graham Browne in most ways, particularly the handwork in the chest, lapel, collar etc. Yes, it was at their basic cost. Bravo! 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