Covid ruined that gravy train for him but hes still doing the conventions. Bagnell also represented Virginia Sheriffs Deputy Marcie Vadnais who sued SIG when she said her P320 went off on its own when she was removing the weapon from her belt. Vadnais was featured in the Nightline version of ABCs report. Really, that JJA ship looks like something the folks at PlaySkool built, its terrible. That is the point of most of the video at the end of the article. Not sure if the FTE is related to the feeding problems people see with certain ammo, but check out this link, it MAY be what you need to see. He is acting as a consultant in the Collette suit that was filed last week. They have similar vertical sear engagement, but the M&P has more engagement width wise. Plastic crap! Yes, a lot of police officers only shoot when they have to for qual. No Warp core, just a quantum singularity, The engine was basically a dorm fridge. But this 9F will fail to extract a fired case about every 3rd or 4th mag. The extractor is offered only as part of a comprehensive reliability upgrade service. Then Weve got to go 9mm Nato. And hasnt been nothing but looking for the holy grail since. Guess it hasnt dawned on them that: 1. Theyve gotten tons of contracts because the gun is cheap, cheap, cheap to make. Asking for a friend. He said hes a gun owner and a concealed carry permit holder. Again, these are examples the plaintiff in this case is using to support his claim that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. Vihtavuori doesn't publish data for even N320 with a 147gr plated bullet, much less N310, so not only is this N310, it's with an even heavier 165gr bullet. I chalk it up to a piece of brass that was probably already significantly compromised. posted March 06, 2017 05:33 PM. Make sure the parts are installed correctly. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. And those are exactly the kinds of plaintiffs who happen to make up the vast majority of the lawsuits filed against SIG. I would just order a new extractor and related components and try the gun again. The guys at the LGS saw only one broken striker but it confirmed what the manager who had the P320 go off and my thoughts. The SIG P320 has been the subject of numerous lawsuits, including one class action case, in the U.S. over injuries sustained because of accidental discharges. Looking for possible tips before she starts to get frustrated. That could happen easily. . You can feel the point when it binds, or sticks, even when manually operating the action slowly May 2 . All polymer guns are cheap, cheap, cheap to make, thats why I threw the Taurus name into the mix. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Just as a follow up, it appears that one case separation was a fluke. By hoping Sig gets taken down for the P320, theyre actually setting up their own pet brand to be the next on the chopping block. . A former U.S. Marine and federal agent has filed a $10 million lawsuit against Sig Sauer Inc. alleging that his holstered Sig P320 -- a pistol that the Army's new sidearm is based on . The list is long proving gun manufactures were well aware of this problem now for 121 years yet they abandoned this when the Glock infested the gun market. 2. I expect a handgun to run anything I put in it, within reason; I do not believe expecting the gun to run with steel case to be unreasonable. No problems since. I sent thousands of these rounds through Glocks, 1911s, 2011, PCC, Tanfo Stock 2. with no issues. Its just that with hundreds of millions of firearms in the hands of more than one-third of the countrys population including a lot of cops some number of negligent discharges will inevitably happen. I have never had to have one serviced or replaced. After some research, it appears the P320 Compact 9mm (and only the P320 Compact 9mm) has a known problem w/all weights of Blazer Brass. I don't think this has a bearing in this case because I tried Federal factory premium loads and Winchester factory loads as well as my hand loads. Combine this with the complacency that comes with handling a firearm over-and-over again as you holster and unholster a firearm throughout the day, its not surprising that many of these officers are saying it just went off as a negligent discharge can cost them their job if it lead to serious injury or property damage. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. So the tally goes against the surrounding area, not against the gun free zone. . SIG brought us into their testing facility today and demonstrated that three upgraded P320s were all functional and fired properly. The VIP screening with the meet and greet was like $600. Before they got to it. In 1982 the G17 hit the market and in 1983 they gave 30,000 pistols to the Austrian military at cost. If you did the same with a Glock or an M&P without the thumb safeties, youd get the same result. This pistol had about 700 rounds through it at the time of the FTE, all factory Speer Lawman 147g TMJ and Federal HST 147g JHP. The X5 I borrowed will release out of battery, if you were into the lands and released out of battery that'd be a pretty big problem. Depending on who you talk to you will get many different answers. But that doesn't excuse poor design and quality control. That prompted Sig Sauer to issue what it called a voluntary upgrade of the weapon, which included hardware changes to the trigger and striker. Sig fanboys are almost as bad as Glock fanboys. My load (135 gr RMR JFP over 3.8gr A#2) is fairly mild and does not swell the back end of the case like the pics above but they will grow about .002"-.004". Then either the gun somehow managed to magically clear both the broken tab and foreign body to continue to operate. It seems safe to assume that while SIG is coming up fast on the outside, GLOCK is still most likely the reigning champ in terms of the firearms most often carried by law enforcement and other government agencies. I used to laugh at his bragging about how skilled he was with a weapon.. Its not credible to claim that people with this amount of training, this amount of skill are all shooting themselves.. That focus drifts. BrianEnos.com I bought a P320 and went through the voluntary upgrade. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk. The weapon had a history of going off unexpectedly when it was dropped at a certain angle. Look a fanboy. Service your Sig P320 pistol with quality OEM and aftermarket parts/components to ensure a solid performance . To me it was unreal, $600 to ask a question about WOK and a picture. Fact is most SF carry what they want and the Marine Recon I know very well who has friends in that community told me many in the Navy NSW program still carry the Mk 25, they don want a striker fired pistol that can hydrolock in water. Fundamentally, the bits that the ambulance chaser claims are flawed function exactly the same way as a S&W M&P. They habitually use their customers as the product testers by selling what are essentially prototypes while quietly implementing rolling revisions. . This is the first time I have heard of the same happening with the subcompact. Dont quote the four rules of safety in your article when all the hotness in the gun world is appendix carry pointing something at an extremity and the photos you use showing front slide serrationsputting your hands fingers near the business end of the barrel, because press checks from the front is the way all the cool operator guys do it. Attorney Bagnell held up the law enforcement officers he represents as examples of people who are highly trained in carrying and using firearms. She claims that her holstered P320 pistol went off while she was carrying it in her purse. Have you ever put a handgun down with your palm in front of the muzzle? CBC News reached out to Sig Sauer and its Canadian distributor, M.D. I can say one thing for sure, the X on the side of the my is about is welcoming to me as grip zone was. Stoppage occurs any where from the 3rd round to the 10th round. The lead plaintiff, Fernando Armendariz, an agent with U.S. Customs and Border Protection, alleges that his department-issued P320 suddenly and unexpectedly discharged while he was re-holstering it in April 2021, resulting in a gunshot wound to his thigh. ), and the gun fell out of his pocket. The more someone touches, loads, clears, cleans, holsters, un-holsters, or otherwise deals with their firearm, the higher the statistical likelihood that complacence kicks in. How close is your load to getting into the rifling? In this video review, Iraqveteran8888 reviews the P365 . Additionally, you will find what the users currently experience with this product. Here's the video, if anyone's still interested in this topic: https://youtu.be/ilFcfIyUz6U My results are the same (about 2k rounds later). She didnt sue, but swore she would never own another Volvo again. Then 4 to 6 week wait for repair. Had the issues where the round fired but the case failed to eject. Note that Harrisons comment about these claims possibly being the result of legal momentum were edited out of the longer Nightline version of the report. The baseline P320 has endured some problems. Not that the original was not good, but because it is a shell, they can do more. I think making guns easy to shoot has gone too far. Colors: SATIN ROSE | Matte TiCN. NO, SIG has a problem that they would rather fight in court. They are plaintiffs versions of what they say happened. Paste as plain text instead, The new Tauruses have a good rep, far better then the P320 or P365. Trust a P365 with your life. The Glock fails on both counts. For instance theres Lieutenant Thomas Ahern who was was performing a routine function (test) of his P320 when it fired at him without any force towards the trigger, resulting in the bullet impacting his left thigh.. And then theres Gunter Walker, a civilian, who says his P320 fired on its ownwhen he placed the weapon down on his nightstand, shooting him through the palm of his left hand.. Sig Sauer Factory P320 Extractor Pin Spring Guide Plus This is a Sig OEM replacement part MSRP: $9.99 $6.60. These cops seem pretty dang stupid if they put loaded guns in gym bags and purses with other stuff and carry them around, especially a gun that lacks manual safeties. how do I get one for my P320? The use of a modified [SIG] P226 holster created an unsafe condition by allowing a foreign object to enter the holster, causing the unintended discharge.. I lost $200 on a gun that had less then 1000 rounds through it but I could care. Your link has been automatically embedded. The military is already shopping for a new sidearm. Got my P320 in March 2015 so it was one of the earlier ones. Both versions of the ABC report included comments from Officer Hiltons attorney, Jeffrey Bagnell, who said, Its not credible to claim that people with this amount of training, this amount of skill are all shooting themselves. I called Sig and the rep said the X5 is designed to do exactly that, blow out the extractor to save other vital parts, whenever there is an over pressure situation. Tomac. This is what happens when you go with the lowest bidder. P365/P365XL Striker Kit. A too light 1911 as some use in competition or God Forbid for carry- could jump the sear if dropped. Their visceral hatred for that which they see as competition to their little golden calf god and their blind, myopic, childish self-identification with an external dynamic is hilarious! It's a little disappointing because I was a huge fan. $8.95. SIG ultimately settled that lawsuit. The enclosed paper work says they replaced the extractor spring and plunger as well as polish the rear of the slide. None of the current lawsuits appear to be in any way related to the now-fixed drop safety issue and most, if not all of the allegations seem to involve upgraded pistols or those produced after the drop safety problem was identified by SIG. Still no issues except an occasional FTF as I play with ammo loads and seating depths. Both are listed by Sig Sauer as micro-compacts, but the size difference is there, and it does make a difference. Going to have to feed it some more ammo this weekend to see if the problem happens again. Get a dead trigger when the striker breaks. Glocks have gone off when people attempted to holster them and after they have holstered them, some times way later after holstering them like the fellow that got into his pickup truck. Everyone knows Glocks are the absolute pinnacle of perfection and have never had one single defect ever! If there were a defect in 320's, it would be all over the web. A fellow kept his DA revolver in the desk. The real tell is that of all the cases, most are cops of some kind. So, I have a new p320 build.-New Sig Frame-New Norsso Slide-New PMM Barrel-New Sig Recoil Spring Assembly-Re-using firing pin, trigger group, extractor/spring out of my well-used P320 X-Five . But Im observant enough to see the same voices that said in 1985 that This new fangled Glock is a just a plastic toy! Includes: -Extractor Thanks, Jim. It doesnt matter whether SIG is at fault or not. You need a lead that can be the lightening rod and not be afraid to make an ass of themselvesit give the watcher permission to take it seriously. And N310 is yet faster burning powder, where you are guaranteed higher peak pressure for the same velocity with the same bullet at the same OAL, and 165gr is yet a heavier bullet, where you get greater pressure increases per tenth of a grain of powder, so less forgiving. And on the flip side of the coin is the decades of denial by Remington on the 700 which Ive seen firsthand. Interestingly the barrel looks different. Alma Cole was able to hook me up with some backup parts and the Sig shop did sent out replacements, although I had to pay for them. The second, longer version of the ABC story again included comments from Joshua Harrison, the consultant ABC hired to independently assess the P320. Your previous content has been restored. Or you would have to have enough slide play for the slide movement to physically disengage the sear and striker leg mating surfaces. Before the guide rod/spring change we were having a lot of stove pipes. 3. But when you're running at the raggedy edge, when you're running well into or over +P -- as many people do with super fast powders and super heavy bullets, trying to chase down the holy grail of soft felt recoil -- when you're at that raggedy edge, it doesn't take a double-charge for a catastrophic failure. . Sig Sauer P320 45 AUTO EXTRACTOR ASSEMBLY - CORROSION RESISTANT. A forum community dedicated to SIG Sauer Pistols and SIG Sauer Rifles owners and enthusiasts. I'm not sure how long it is really going to take. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. All chasing that pot of gold at the end of litigation.. Not that big of a stretch when considering the lawyers beating the bushs for clients to add to the lawsuits, and the fact many of them will lose their jobs if its proven to NOT be the gun, but instead negligence on their part. Either the gun is defective or its not. So if, say, a person was to accidentally get shot through no fault of their own and need to sue, which specific cartridge/appendage combo would yield the most favorable least pain/permanent-damage : highest-payout ratio? Enough to recall pretty much all of Oklahoma state troopers and reissue a new one. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Make a gift to NHPR today for your chance to win a trip for 2 to Ireland! All with VV310. Good videos, BTW very thorough; and unlike most youtube videos, it provides sensible, level-headed commentary from someone who actually shoots their pistol instead of trying to use it to prove how mall ninja they can be. There wasn't really a straight problem, with most problems having different circumstances/potentially different causes. Took it home, cleaned it, and went straight back to the range. The second version emphasized the upgrade to fix the drop safety issue and notes that Harrison believes that problem has been fixed. Each incident gives them more blood for their macabre dance, and another tic-mark for their context-free gun violence tally. Yes including 3 factory loads and 5 different hand loads. You're never supposed to admit to shooting reloaded ammo when contacting customer service! The tendency is for people to say "I've shot thousands of this load, and nothing has ever happened before." Interestingly the barrel looks different. 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